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August 10, 2010 at 8:22 PM

Mariners tied with Orioles for least patience with managers

Thanks to Mike Gastineau of KJR for coming up with this idea and starting the research. He mentioned it during our weekly Hot Stone League segment yesterday (every Tuesday, usually at 4:07 p.m.), and it intrigued me.

Noting that the Mariners have now had six managers since Lou Piniella left after the 2002 season — Daren Brown is the sixth — he checked to see how many teams have had such rampant dugout turnover.

Turns out just one team, the Baltimore Orioles, has gone through six managers since Opening Day of the 2003 season. Yes, the same Orioles with whom the Mariners are currently battling it out with for the worst record in baseball, and the prize of the No. 1 draft pick. (Although both teams had better watch out — the Orioles are 7-1 under new manager Buck Showalter, while the Mariners are 2-0 under Brown. Keep that up, and the Diamondbacks, Pirates, Royals, Indians, Cubs or Astros will sneak in the back door).

Five teams have had five managers during that span — the Royals, Astros, Diamondbacks, Reds and Marlins. And one has had four — the Pirates.

All the rest have had three or fewer. Twelve teams have had two managers in that span. And three teams have had just one manager since Opening Day, 2003: the Braves (Bobby Cox), Cardinals (Tony La Russa) and Angels (Mike Scioscia).

You’ll find that, by and large, the teams that have had the greatest success have had the most managerial continuity. And the opposite is true as well. That is intuitively obvious, but the question is: How much of those team’s success is attributable to the fact that they chose a manager and stuck with him. And how much of the other teams’ struggles is due to the fact they don’t allow a manager to grow with the team? I’d maintain that switching managers at every sign of adversity, as the Mariners and other lowly teams have done, is no way to build and sustain success.

I did a little additional research to supplement Mike’s work, and I present it here. As an added bonus — and based on another Gastineau idea — I looked back six managers on every team to see how far back you’d go. The winner was the Minnesota Twins, who have had just six managers since Frank Quilici — in 1975! Now that’s stability.

The Cardinals have had six managers since Ken Boyer in 1980, and the Braves have had six managers since Bobby Cox’s first stint ended in 1981. Compare that to the Mariners going through six managers since Piniella’s departure in 2002, and you get the idea of how impatient they have become. Either that, or they’ve been a failure at picking managers. Neither choice reflects well on the organization.

(Note: I didn’t count interim managers who managed fewer than 10 games).

Seattle Mariners

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (6): Bob Melvin, Mike Hargrove, McLaren, Jim Riggleman, Don Wakamatsu, Daren Brown.

Go back six managers and find: Lou Piniella, 2002.

Baltimore Orioles

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (6): Mike Hargrove, Lee Mazzilli, Sam Perlozzo, Dave Trembley, Juan Samuel, Buck Showalter.

Go back six managers and find: Ray Miller, 1999.

Kansas City Royals

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (5): Tony Pena, Bob Schaefer, Buddy Bell, Trey Hillman, Ned Yost.

Go back six managers and find: Tony Muser, 2002.

Houston Astros

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (5): Jimy Williams, Phil Garner, Cecil Cooper, Dave Clark, Brad Mills.

Go back six managers and find: Terry Collins, 1996.

Arizona Diamondbacks

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (5): Bob Brenly, Al Pedrique, Bob Melvin, A.J. Hinch, Kirk Gibson.

Go back six managers and find: No one. The Diamondbacks have had just six managers since they debuted in 1998, the sixth being Buck Showalter, whose last year was 2000.

Cincinnati Reds

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (5): Bob Boone, Dave Miley, Jerry Narron, Pete Mackanin, Dusty Baker.

Go back six managers and find: Ray Knight, 1997.

Florida Marlins

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (5): Jeff Torborg, Jack McKeon, Joe Girardi, Fredi Gonzalez, Edwin Rodriguez.

Go back six managers and find: John Boles, 2001.

Pittsburgh Pirates

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (4): Lloyd McClendon, Pete Mackanin, Jim Tracy, Bill Russell.

Go back six managers and find: Chuck Tanner, 1985.

Toronto Blue Jays

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (3): Carlos Tosca, John Gibbons, Cito Gaston.

Go back six managers and find: Jim Fregosi, 2000.

New York Mets

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (3): Art Howe, Willie Randolph, Jerry Maneul

Go back six managers and find: Bud Harrelson, 1991

Washington Nationals/Montreal Expos

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (3): Frank Robinson, Manny Acta, Jim Riggleman

Go back six managers and find: Buck Rodgers, 1991.

Milwaukee Brewers

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (3): Ned Yost, Dale Sveum, Ken Macha

Go back six managers and find: Phil Garner, 1999.

Los Angeles Dodgers

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (3): Jim Tracy, Grady Little, Joe Torre

Go back six managers and find: Tommy Lasorda, 1999.

Boston Red Sox

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (2): Grady Little, Terry Francona

Go back six managers and find: Joe Morgan, 1991.

Tampa Bay Rays

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (2): Lou Piniella, Joe Maddon.

Go back six managers and find: No one. The Rays have had just four managers since they debuted in 1998.

New York Yankees

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (2): Joe Torre, Joe Girardi.

Go back six managers and find: Lou Piniella, 1988.

Chicago White Sox

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (2): Jerry Manuel, Ozzie Guillen.

Go back six managers and find: Tony La Russa, 1986.

Detroit Tigers

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (2): Alan Trammell, Jim Leyland.

Go back six managers and find: Sparky Anderson, 1995.

Cleveland Indians

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (2): Eric Wedge, Manny Acta

Go back six managers and find: John Hart, 1989.

Texas Rangers

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (2): Buck Showalter, Ron Washington.

Go back six managers and find: Bobby Valentine, 1992.

Oakland A’s

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (2): Ken Macha, Bob Geren.

Go back six managers and find: Steve Boros, 1984.

Philadelphia Phillies

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (2): Larry Bowa, Charlie Manuel

Go back six managers and find: Lee Elia, 1988.

Chicago Cubs

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (2): Dusty Baker, Lou Piniella

Go back six managers and find: Jim Lefebvre, 1993

San Diego Padres

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (2): Bruce Bochy, Bud Black

Go back six managers and find: Steve Boros, 1986.

San Francisco Giants

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (2): Felipe Alou, Bruce Bochy

Go back six managers and find: Frank Robinson, 1984

Colorado Rockies

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (2): Clint Hurdle, Jim Tracy

Go back six managers and find: No one. They’ve had four managers in team history, which dates back to 1993.

Minnesota Twins

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (1): Ron Gardenhire.

Go back six managers and find: Frank Quilici, 1975.

Atlanta Braves

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (1): Bobby Cox.

Go back six managers and find: Bobby Cox, 1981 (first stint)

St. Louis Cardinals

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (1): Tony La Russa.

Go back six managers and find: Ken Boyer, 1980.

Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim

Managers since Opening Day, 2003 (1): Mike Scioscia

Go back six managers and find: Buck Rodgers, 1994.

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