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December 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Wrapping up the winter meetings: “You stay classy San Diego”

3:20 p.m. — Transaction update

Here’s a list of the official transactions made during the Winter Meetings.

1:02 p.m.  — Viciedo update

As expected, the idea of talks being “serious” with the White Sox for a trade of Dayan Viciedo is coming from the White Sox. The Mariners aren’t that interested in Viciedo, much like they weren’t interested in him in last season and last spring. They know he’s a complete liability in the outfield. It is unlikely that they would ever give up a major league piece or a prospect of any value to get him

The White Sox are pushing Viciedo because there’s a good chance they may have to eventually DFA him. He simply doesn’t fit. There are questions about his work ethic and attitude to go with shoddy defense and regressing offense.

Why trade for him when he will be on waivers likely by the end of spring.

11:29 a.m. — more Desmond stuff 

So there’s this ….

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I wrote about this a little yesterday.

The Mariners will not part with Walker or Paxton for a one-year rental. They refused on Upton and they would refuse on Desmond. Is there something else the Nats want? They had some interest in Brad Miller, but not sure a 1-for-1 swap would happen on that.

 

11:17 a.m. — a few quick thoughts on some of the Kemp debate

It’s easy to look at the package that the Padres gave up and say, well, the Mariners should’ve just given up Zunino and three prospects and it automatically would have happened.

That’s flawed thinking. The M’s offered Miller,  Saunders and a prospect (we never heard which one, heck it could have been Peterson) and 50 percent of Kemp’s contract. The Dodgers came back and decided they wanted either Paxton or Walker in the deal and the M’s to pick up more than 50 percent of the deal. Andrew Friedman, who was with the Rays and is now the Dodgers president, lobbied for Paxton and Walker in deals when he was with the Rays. Once the Dodgers agreed to a trade for Jimmy Rollins, the Mariners’ chances really took a hit.

Miller’s value to LA isn’t a significant with Corey Seager – their shortstop of the future – on the horizon. Rollins will be an aging stop-gap in between.

This isn’t also a matter of the Mariners not wanting to part with Zunino – which they don’t want to do.  But to assume that the Dodgers view Zunino the same as Grandal in value isn’t exactly logical. Each team has their own valuations of players.

Would Kemp have helped the Mariners? Yes. And it’s understandable for people to be disappointed. But it came down to the Mariners not wanting to take on a $75-80 million of a contract while parting with three players, including a top pitching prospect.

 

10:55 a.m. — Some Zduriencik comments

Here’s what Zduriencik said in his final media availability.

“We have some possibilities of something happening,” he said. “You always want to improve your club. But as the dust settles with all the clubs, sometimes they can go back and say, ‘Now, this makes sense for us now. The domino effect could have affected other clubs, not just us.”

So they leave without making a deal.

“I’m not disappointed,” he said. “I’m came in here with my eyes wide open with the opportunity to have good dialogue face to face with people. Just because a deal wasn’t done here, doesn’t mean there won’t be anything happening. There’s a lot of time now between now and spring training.”

I would expected that to happen sooner rather than later, perhaps in the next week.

10:20 a.m. —  More Viciedo rumors 

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So the Viciedo talk continues. I offered up some thoughts on him yesterday. Giving up any of the young, controllable relievers seems like a mistake for a player, who is regressing. Maybe the Mariners think they can fix Viciedo’s issues.

But this sure seems like a no-so-great move.  It also seems like a move the White Sox are pushing more. A source close to the Mariners last season said the Viciedo rumors largely came from the White Sox, who were in desperate need of a bullpen arm.

I really can’t see it happening with the Mariners having Cruz on the roster already.

 

Rule 5 …. 4 lyfe

It’s the final day of the MLB winter meetings. The Mariners contingent will be flying out of San Diego this afternoon. They leave the Grand Hyatt having made one roster move – a Rule 5 selection.

The organization selected left-handed pitcher David Rollins from Houston’s Class AA affiliate in Corpus Christi

David Rollins

David Rollins

Rollins, 24, went 3-4 with a 3.81 ERA with 77 strikeouts in 78 innings pitched. He made 12 starts and 15 relief appearances. The Mariners actually drafted Rollins twice – once in 2009 (23rd round) and 2010 (46th rounnd).

“He’s got a nice arm and he’s left-handed,” Zduriencik said. “Our scouts, Joe Nelson and Jeremy Booth, saw him and both liked him. He could be a starter. He could be a bullpen guy. But it’s a pretty good fastball. He’s got a breaking ball. He’s got velocity. He’s a tough kid. We have history for him. So we’ll bring him in and give him a chance and see what happens.”

An opposing scout offered his take on Rollins.

“I like him,” he said. “I have him as a solid middle reliever type. He may not be ready yet, but he has a good arm. He was 92-95 mph with his fastball, shows an average breaking ball.”

Here’s his career numbers.

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So how does the Rule 5 draft work?

Rollins must be kept on the Major League 25-man roster of the drafting team for the entirety of next season, and the selected player must remain active (not on the disabled list) for a minimum of 90 days.

If that doesn’t happen, then he Rollins is offered back to the Astros.

Rollins was traded from Toronto to Houston as part of a 10-player trade that saw current Seattle left-hander J.A. Happ go from Houston to the Blue Jays.

The Mariners didn’t select any players in the Class AAA portion. They also didn’t lose any players to the Rule 5 draft.

Does this mean they won’t sign Joe Beimel? Not necessarily. The chances of a guy sticking on a Rule 5 selection is pretty slim. Lucas Luetge did stick a few years ago. But Beimel is a proven and trusted reliever and they will still look at him as reliable option as the second left-hander in the bullpen.

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