The Seahawks are off the field following their third practice of training camp, and first with any real semblance of contact as the team wore helmets and shoulder pads and was able do to some hitting.
No new injuries during the workout were apparent, and the more interesting news might have come later when coach Pete Carroll elaborated on the situation with receiver Percy Harvin, who is on the Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) list with a hip injury that may require surgery.
Carroll confirmed that Harvin is having a second opinion on Tuesday in New York. He also talked at length about what the future may hold, making it clear that in his mind, while there were reports yesterday that Harvin could be out for the year if surgery is needed, that just about anything remains possible.
I’ll throw out the full quotes from Carroll to try to give it the proper context:
On what is the latest with Harvin: “He is going to get a second opinion and there is a whole array of situations. We have to wait and see. It’s everything that he might be able to come back here in a couple of weeks and be ready to go or there could be some procedure that needs to take place and there are a number of different ways that could happen and the length of the recovery depends on what has to take place. It’s uncertain right now but we for sure are going to take our time, be very patient, let the docs look at it, make sure everybody has got their two cents on it and know exactly where it sits and then we’ll see what the next step holds and we don’t know that right now. It’s just something that we have to wait on and make sure. And he’s really frustrated. He wants to play so bad, he wants to be on the field, it’s killing him not to be out there, but we just have to be really smart about it and because it is so early we have a lot of time, we are going to utilize that.’’
On if he’s concerned that Harvin won’t be available this year: “I don’t even know, I don’t know that. We just wait and see. We know that there have been guys with a similar injury that play and guys with a similar injury that don’t, and it takes some time and takes some procedures and we are just going to take our time and wait it out and just going to be as diligent about that as possible and take care of him. He’s a great kid and he’s dying to get on the practice field and we are going to see when we can get that done.’’
On Harvin having been full speed on the practice field last week: “He worked out with some of our guys and I think he was throwing with Russell (Wilson) and some of the guys and he was flying around.’’
On Harvin then turning up sore for camp: “I know that when he reported he just felt really sore, he had some soreness in his hip, so we had to go take another look and start digging at the information and it showed there is something to work on and something we need to work through to figure out how it works. So we don’t know yet.’’
On if surgery would be season-ending: “It wouldn’t necessarily be season-ending. That’s one of the scenarios it could be but the likelihood of getting back just depends on what they have to do. So like I said there are a whole array of different circumstances. Some guys make it right back and some guys take longer so that’s a possibility. But we are hoping that’s not the probability. We are thinking it’s going to be better than that.’’
On players he has had who have had an injury similar to Harvin and have played: “Kam Chancellor made it through and he’s okay so we know that there is a chance that it could be all right so we just have to keep our fingers crossed. We are pretty optimistically minded around here and try to take as much time as we need to make a really good decision to take care of him the best way possible.’’
So that should about cover where Carroll and the team stand with Harvin right now. He was at practice again today and obviously for now it’s all about waiting for Tuesday for the next appointment and then going from there.
Carroll also detailed what is the situation with a few other players who are currently out, notably starting tight end Zach Miller who is out with a foot injury suffered during mini-camp.
“Zach has established himself as a fantastic part of our football team and this is not going to hurt his development at all, He’s really close to being back, but it has certainly given guys a chance, given Luke (Willson) a great shot at getting first team work every day, and the demands out here are great but it’s good for him to have the heat on him a little bit and he’s pushing to get his stuff right and he’s going a very nice job, too.
On the timeline for Miller and if there is any concern that he would be ready for the season: “Oh no, not at all. Once he comes back, he’s got to stay okay, but I don’t know what his timeframe is because we have to get him on the ground running and make sure he’s in good enough shape before we break him into full-speed practice. The tempo of practice is so high that we have to ease him on in, but we are not worried about him playing at all unless there are some setbacks.’’
Also among those out are fullback Michael Robinson, MLB and special teams standout Heath Farwell, cornerback Tharold Simon and linebacker Korey Toomer. Here’s what Carroll said on each:
On Michael Robinson being out: “He came in thee first day and his ankle was sore and so we were treating bim during practice today and making sure that wee really took care of him. So it kind of surprise all of us. He had no problem with it in the off-season until after the first day of practice he woke up in the morning with a sore ankle so we’ve just got to see what that means. … It’s not an ankle sprain he just has a little bit of discomfort so we are just taking care of him. We’ve got two really cool young kids to take a look at, Derrick Coleman and (Spencer Ware) and those guys are doing a nice job of taking up the slack right now and it gives them a great opportunity to show what they can do so we are trying to take advantage of it in that manner.’’
On Heath Farwell being out: “He’s got back spasms that cropped up after the first day. He should be fine in a day or so.’’
On Korey Toomer being on the non-football injury list: “He got hurt working out on his own. Took a real funky step and jammed his hip and he’s got a little issue there so we just have to wait him out.’’
On it being concerning that Simon is not out there: “It’s disappointing for him, too. He’s got a sore foot but it’s one that he’s played with before but we are just trying to get him past the point where it’s going to re-occur. So we are being very careful. He’s not on the ground running yet, we’re doing all the equipment upstairs to keep it non-weight bearing and all of that but we just have to be patient with it. There are a few of our guys that have these foot injuries that can go beyond if we go too far, too fast so we are just trying to take our time on it.’’
Also out today were Sidney Rice and Jesse Williams. Here’s what he said about each:
On Sidney Rice being out today: “Just resting him. He had the first two days were good, got him through the first half of practice and resting him, just taking care of his recovery.’’
On Jesse Williams being out: “He had a little tweak yesterday but nothing serious, just again resting him and taking care of him.’’
”First day in pads, was nice to see the guys banging around a little bit, get a little closer to what football looks like. Camp is off to a good start, really working hard, guys are really at it, competition is on all across the board again so everything is going just the way we like it to this point.”
Here are a few other comments from Carroll:
On what he has seen out of Bruce Irvin at LB: “Well we thought after watching him for a year that he showed tremendous versatility. We were wondering if we would be able to move him around a little bit more and he is doing it really well. He’s had no problem. He had a really good off-season, and he looks very comfortable. It allows us to still use him as an outside rusher just like we had done and then just use him in coverage sometimes and then try to put him in position to take advantage of his overall ability. So we are really excited about this transition, it’s just a matter of him growing and when it comes to more responsibility he is doing it really well, so I think this is going to work out.’’
On how far the offense has advanced in a year: “The biggest, most obvious jump is J.R. Sweezy. He didn’t know anything from this time last year when he was in his third practice being in our offense. He’s much farther along so he gives us a much more competitive mindset for us because we know he understands what’s going on so that’s a big help. Having James (Carpenter) back, we’re only three days into it but he has three really good days of showing that he’s recovered and on his way and that again makes it so much more competitive for us and deeper. How that plays out for us I don’t know and right now I don’t care. We are just going to keep practicing and seeing what all the information gives us. But there certainly is a lot of competition on the offensive line. Mike Person is really improved himself. He’s stronger and I think he probably gained 15 pounds from a year ago. He looks great.. He’s versatile enough to lay tackle and he’s playing center some so that’s a real positive. And the two young kids have done a nice job — (Michael) Bowie and Alvin Bailey have done a nice job. We are hoping we are just going to keep building the competitiveness and the depth in that ranks and we should be better.’’
On Jared Smith’s transition from DL to OL: “His transition from defense to offense is working kind of like it did with J.R. He’s taking to it, he’s diving in with both feet and it looks like he’s got a chance to be a factor. He’s certainly a really good athlete at that spot so we just have to see it as a long haul here and all these games will tell a lot,m but even after the games it’s going to take all of pre-season to really get an opinion on that.’’
On Jeremy Lane: “He’s in competing. He’s a really good football player and he’s really fast. He’s a hard-nosed, tough guy, did well on special teams last year and both he and (Byron Maxwell) who played in the time when (Brandon Browner) wasn’t playing did a good job for us., Both of those guys took kind of a fast start at jumping in with the first group and did a very good job. So the depth at that position is nice, we like these guys, they are competitive and we are going just let them battle it out.”
Here’s some video of Carroll from today: